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welcome to behind the paranormal with

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possible that UFOs are not

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extraterrestrial has the government or

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somebody already weaponized the paranoia

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with 2012 is the end of the world long

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gone that's that sort of crazed where if

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anywhere are we headed hey there and

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welcome to the 550 fifth edition of

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behind the paranormal with Paul and

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Benny no I am Ben and those strange

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questions came from my co-host and

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partner in the paranormal my dad and

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this evening we are very pleased to have

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right here in our little studio one of

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the first and greatest UFO researchers

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of well of all time and then aficionado

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of all things paranormal as well and we

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welcome your calls this evening it's 40

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the US or Canada 800 449 1240 timothy

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green beckley is a pioneer in paranormal

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research he is an author publisher and

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producer mr. UFO was he is known it's

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probably the longest standing and most

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famous of all UFO investigators he says

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that the paranormal has been part of his

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life since childhood he reports having

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his first out-of-body experience at the

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age of six and saw his first three UFOs

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at the age of 10 in the early 1970s he

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founded the UFO investigators league and

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over the years has written over 30 books

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on everything from rock music to the

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secret majestic-12 UFO papers inner

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conspiracy journal a bolide and other

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names are in Prince of tims publishing

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company he keeps the rarest and most

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unique books on the subjects of

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conspiracies UFOs aliens Giants Bigfoot

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etc in print and available for all

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researchers we have several of them in

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front of us right now his works are the

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source material for a number of History

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black ancient aliens and much more he is

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the author of mystery of the men in

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black the UFO silencers with an intro by

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the late great John keel his websites

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include WWE hidden mysteries calm

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hidden mysteries not know that's not my

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thought it

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that's okay but you know hey I got a

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great deal here we just started our own

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paranormal a channel on youtube so it's

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free I think this about a dozen

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I take my little camera with me as I

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interview some fabulous of people people

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they've seen entities got aboard UFOs

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it's all wild and wooly and of course

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decide but you can go over to a YouTube

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it's mr. UFOs secret files and there's

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some really good interviews in fact our

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show list show was posted up there and

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got some great stuff check your Tom Don

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best interviews up there it lie live

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live and I take my little camera with me

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and it's not Hollywood but it's an

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unbalanced unfair and uncensored and

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unedited there's a little lot to keep it

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added to tonight's where FCC regulator

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well that's that's all right now just

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Mike uh we don't know we do not have it

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at a college uh well anyway no on so Tim

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beckley welcome back to paradise by

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third or fourth time on the show I

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believe it's like yeah it's like we're

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like family we are if everyone see you

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next week okay I'm taking Ben's room he

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doesn't know it yet okay you can have it

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you also bringing the excavator yourself

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hey Elise let's start a little something

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a local um new local entrance interest

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entrance interest to our audience here

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in when Sonic at the late great Joe

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farrier hosted the afternoon talk show

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here on 112 40 for 50 years and he was

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on before us some some weeks as well and

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he was a prominent UFO researcher there

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in the 1960s how and when did you get to

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know Joe well you know when I was a

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teenager I put out a newsletter I've

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I don't know how many newsletters

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magazines edited stuff on the newsstand

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line of work magazine packager in book

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publisher not just for myself but for

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other people anyway when I was a teen

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there were a lot of teenagers that were

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interested in the field in fact some of

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them are still around the kind of you

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know retired they're all kind of my we

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were teenage you follow just now were

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senior citizen ufologist you know my how

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the years do go by but I put out a

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little mini bath magazine called the

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interplanetary News Service report and

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probe but he had another little magazine

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that he was also a memory of graphing he

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had a partner his name is armand look

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fraud who lived around here i guess like

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we use exchange newsletters people

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disappearing i remember yet an article

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about a woman who went out to take the

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clothes off her line closed life she was

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never seen again around here you know i

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don't remember i mean i could lie and

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say yes but that's fifty years ago and i

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don't know you know maybe she'll appear

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in the studio tonight with the dirty

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laundry or maybe clean laundry i'm not

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sure but anyway so we exchanged

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magazines and then those days people

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actually correspondent we wrote letters

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terrible typewriters looking back at him

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stuff on onion skin paper which is like

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the thinnest paper in the world mariner

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what you can make six or seven copies

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and then you would send the carbons to

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other people so you can share in the

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correspondence that was the kind of like

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a you know an internet group would be

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today or even an email and then it got

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cassette and not cassette tapes they

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send that around and so I guess I talked

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to Joe a few times on the the telephone

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we exchanged the magazines and then I

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guess he invited me up to do the show

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that he was the host on

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and so this is actually a I don't know

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how about almost 50 years I don't

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remember exact date but if anybody there

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out in the listener land has an old copy

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of the midnight newspaper which was the

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globe that turned into the globe that's

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at the sold in the supermarket there was

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yellow there was the tabloid yes yes and

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in those days it was a lot you know a

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lot stranger than it is now anyway I

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remember the headline story was I had

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investigated the sightings made by

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astronauts UFO Assizes oh yeah long long

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time ago and for some reason i guess the

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paper asked me to send today you know

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photograph to use with the article and I

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had one I guess that Joe had sent me of

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setting here at the microphone not to

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say a location for the studio but he and

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I were in the studio and he was

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interviewing me well I don't know how

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young I was I wish I could find a

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photograph I had a crew cut black

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horn-rimmed glasses and the acne still

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showed that my face so I must have been

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photograph so that had to be pushing 50

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then Joe and I stayed in touch but not

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all that you know much he had his career

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he did publish a magazine later on he

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took some incredible UFO photographs now

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if you go to the internet and you type

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in joseph i believe it is a middle

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initial was l farrier you'll get some

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really wild the photographs i mean i

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think that these things were real and i

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saw photographs that he showed me and I

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have somewhere in my huge huge files if

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I ever find anything photographs that I

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mean there was one that showed a

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cigar-shaped mothership in the sky

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surrounded by five of these kind of

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bell-shaped craft Scout craft I was

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taken I believe in Cumberland Rhode

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Island do what looks like it was taken

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outside his window hmm I did worse I

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don't know there are some people who

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seem to have the knack of attracting

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UFOs and being able to photograph them

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there is a strange thing okay there's a

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another fellow who's deceased now as

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well by the appalled villa

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who is from New Mexico and he had these

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things they landed in the you know they

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were landing outside his trailer where

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he lived now he had a lot of stuff to

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the and this is also on the internet in

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fact we published a book of his

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photographs uh and you know you can see

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well maybe toss something in the sky and

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photographed it but you know the

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weirdest thing is is he's got this dog

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shaped craft there looks like it's got

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bored holes around it and in the sky are

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these three or four metallic balls I

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mean is he a juggling did all the stuff

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at the same time same for Joe I mean I I

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didn't know Joe that well I don't think

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he was a hoaxer and how do you get a

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mothership in in five Scout craft into

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the sky unless it doesn't look like it

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was I know a little bit about

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photography it doesn't look like it was

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done in a dark room and this is of

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course the long before a photo shop in

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the internet and there and any guy and

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he was on the air here you did it in

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view once I believe it's in your

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archives yeah where he tells some

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bizarre stories about this couple he got

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into the back of their what it will be

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like as he was a girl he was hiking or

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something Oxford Beth yeah yeah and

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there were these weird blinking black

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boxes in the back of the car and he

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asked him well this is before Homeland

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Security or today and you know stopped

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and called 911 okay so he asked them

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what they were doing with this and he

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said the couple said well we really

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can't talk about it but it's for

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something to the effect for the the

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security or the benefit of your planet

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so he must have known even at the

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whatever young age that there was

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something peculiar about this couple

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because why would somebody say something

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like that every morning we weren't even

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in to kind of like UFO motif today now

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if some New Ager said something like

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that he wouldn't really didn't think

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twice about it yeah but what were those

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black boxes who was this couple and why

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would you make up a story like that you

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know i don't know and he had some other

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he took these photographs and then there

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was another gentleman i guess maybe they

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were there they were friends i'm not

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even sure what their relationship was

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is credited for taking some of the

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photographs but I see some of them are

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credited Joe and one website and some of

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them are credited to Harold on the other

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so I'm not sure yeah which is what now

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my former associate Harold Sultan who we

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also shared an apartment in New York for

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a couple of years actually co-published

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this magazine with the gel called probe

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but they didn't really know too much

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about distribution and I think there was

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only a couple of issues printed but they

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got some pretty fantastic photographs in

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there i think i'm going to take do a

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book on UFO contactee repeaters the

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people that take you off of photographs

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all the time because it's outside of the

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Joe and Paul villa I forget about billy

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meier I don't believe his pictures but

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there are a lot of other people that had

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had this talent and they never get any

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credit because nobody really cares

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mm-hmm there was a woman who lived up in

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New Hampshire by the name is Stella

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Lansing now you give this woman an

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8-millimeter camera and you take the

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film out and you project it in there

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were all kind of our faces on there and

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there were clocks and all kinds of weird

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things that were going she never you

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give her any kind of camera and

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something strange was happening and of

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course the the scientists just like

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today that I it's a fake and phony it's

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like getting into the camera and is that

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well it wasn't you know I mean it is

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just she was doing something strange I I

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think now most of this is mental I don't

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mean mental in the sense that you know

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the Austin wall or whacka ding hi or

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anything like that it's it's a psychic

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thing some people have the ability to

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bring in the phenomena and weird things

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happen around them and I'm sure it's the

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same way you guys know in the normal the

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ted serios yet serious yeah I knew his

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is the here at the eyepiece yeah he can

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actually look at the lens of a camera or

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even a pack of film that wasn't even any

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camera yet he was thinking would appear

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when I saw him do it yeah well this is

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the same Stella Lance he could do the

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same thing too I think it got to the

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point where she didn't have to put the

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film in the camera

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yeah without you know even Betty hill I

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know during the day I know Kathy

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Martin's on yeah yeah well Betty used to

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go on Barney Hill kill ya Betty used to

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go out at night with her camera and see

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all kinds of strange things describe

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people say oh she's just seeing

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airplanes and he wants to believe are

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they coming back and said well I don't

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know I I I knew Betty someone I mean I

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talked to her on the phone a couple of

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times of course met her and in all but I

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don't know they just seem to be some

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people who attract paranormal yeah well

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i'm thinking of jerry Warner to Ben

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Jerry this is he's not a UFO

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photographer but he gets these strange

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cloud almost like smoke art yes and

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we've I've looked at that very closely

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and he he just we found him on the show

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and it seems to me to be legitimate

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certain people as you say do tend to

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attract certain sorts of photographic

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evidence ok when I here's a question for

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you is it the people that are attracting

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it or is it because they're in some a

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window area or some area that's prone to

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have paranormal I'm thinking of a couple

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of places they're under YouTube the mr.

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UFO secret files there's an interview

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that I did with Tom dango in Sedona now

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tom has a huge scrapbook is it bigger

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than any of the books that I that I

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bought in today to give you guys and

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it's all filled with color photographs

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of orbs but we're not talking about

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lights but you know light specs or aura

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we call the raindrops well oh yeah yeah

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we're talking about thanks growing this

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way going that way different colors and

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all and most of his orbs were taken on

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this place called the Bradshaw ranch

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which were in in Sedona it was borne out

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by the daughters yeah it was yeah it was

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brought out by the the government to I

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think they were going to make it into a

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oh I don't know something for children

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they brought it out and they've never

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used it in the course now there's no

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trespassing signs all over the place but

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people do manage the the sneak in

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because the the wires are down in the

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fence is rotted and stuff like that but

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Tom's even done a couple of books just

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with all these photographs of all these

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weird lights and of course that he got

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the skinwalker ranch

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oh my which is fairly a famous your

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agile connecticut now we were the wee

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bit of work again which other yeah what

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would we call a connecticut skinwalker

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ranch is that right yeah you have to

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come to wag some hard we're just going

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to say I you know I haven't done a real

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good in person paranormal investigation

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we'll talk about that hey girl yeah but

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there's another place of Black Forest in

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Colorado where this fellow lives on this

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property this has been on I think it's

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on strange universe or maybe with

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sightings sightings has a cabin lives in

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the ghetto in the forest a very nice cat

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lochivan I mean expensive my slaw Cabot

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and all these weird lights and stuff for

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seen coming out of the trees coming out

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of mirrors in the house in fact he's had

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several researchers and I think local

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politician one of the Senators were

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there and it's writing that it sounds

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more like a poltergeist than a UFO but

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he blade he blames it on on the the CIA

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in mind control he thinks that the

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government has some sort of underground

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or bass or something yeah he's seen up

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he claims he's seen you know like guys

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dressed in black or military ops

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uniforms going into the barn the dog

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house or something something there so he

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that's how he explains it but it kind of

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all looks to say maybe they could

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duplicate the phenomena or maybe they're

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out there investigating it and trying to

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girls tried to chase him off the land

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like a scooby-doo kind of thing I

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wouldn't ask you to him one thing Joe

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told us and several times and I believe

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you mentioned on that show where he said

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that he had said things yet he never

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said publicly that's right you know is

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that he this all kind of started to get

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to him yes and he said he wanted his

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life to go back to normal so he gave it

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all up which is why it's meant mostly

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the old timers in the field I've heard

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of Joe younger ones having and he said

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he gave it up gave up the magazine probe

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magazine on stuff numbers and his life

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went back to normal well you know about

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how come people like you and I yeah I

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can't say I have a normal life but I

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don't know about you well I my life is

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pretty abstract maybe get used to have

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I i would say I've never been i think we

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discussed this before i'm not much of

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authority I've always been my own my

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renegade selfie ever since I was a

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teenager I've never done don't feel mold

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no no I'm not another brick of the oleo

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my brick is crumbled I'm afraid but I

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thought that was an interesting comment

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but you know I don't see I you know I

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never wear when I was growing up and

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where I live I never tried to get

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attention drawn to me like in the note

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local newspaper or something like that

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you know 50 miles away was fine if I

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went to Cleveland there's something you

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could put me on the front page I'm not

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you know on the local newspaper because

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I had a deal would deal with people you

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know the mayor but today you know today

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first of all I wouldn't I don't care and

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I don't think the subject has that much

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of an ax stigma is it may be used to but

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again perhaps I I'm where you you know

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what community it is that you you live

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in I know Jesus I remember one time I

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had graduated from school many many

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years before and I read into my English

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teacher in the street and I was not a

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very good student in fact when it came

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to English should just barely pass but I

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published two hundred books so I guess

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that kind of worked out a because he

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never told me you can hire a proofreader

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there well anyway he came up to me on

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the street mesa I understand you're a

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writer and publisher can you get me

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published oh my god okay but you know

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you know what I told him and I've told a

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lot of people this mine is a very small

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niche market here I've tried other

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things I've written a lot of music books

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I you know I met Jimi Hendrix I knew his

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chauffeur pretty good John Lennon came

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to one of my rock and roll concerts and

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any time I tried to deviate and get into

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something else the books would stack up

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in the garage it just wasn't what I was

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what I was doing it and they're the same

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distributors who handle strange saga

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teal absent Groppo are not the same ones

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that are going to sell you know a music

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books in fact they turned down

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I mean I wouldn't even offer it took

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because it just isn't done well I had

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another question here you you're one of

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the few people who has been at this

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really since almost the beginning my

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second ji I consider my sec myself

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second generation generation right Jim

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Mosley great Barker surely they would

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have been first generation anybody who

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was in it from 1945 on which are very

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few I guess Stanton would go back a few

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years well I was joking he started in

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the UFO research when I was in

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kindergarten uh 1957 1958 been back a

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little bit before but yeah I got into it

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I think the first magazine i bought well

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i bought fake magazine on the on the

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newsstand it was thirty-five cents in

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the old tree yeah it had 30 pages of

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advertising either you know magazines

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were sure the the internet agree of the

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day got paid for articles and pay for

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ads and today it's all a trade outer or

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does ticket office up to get up here

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right ah but anyway so i bought fake

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magazine and then I think in 1957 would

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have been ten years old there was a

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magazine on the newsstand I think it was

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the same people who put out a

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confidential magazine which all the

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scandals in it because it was a garish

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red and yellow cover in this one was

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something like true space mysteries and

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ice no I still have a copy of it it's

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kind of folded in half from the you know

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for the turning of the dust after all

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these years but it had actually some of

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the same UFO photographs that they show

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today because they aren't really all

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that many pictures and and you know i

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read that magazine over and over and

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then I went and I took every book that I

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could find in the library and read it in

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those days it would have been like major

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Keyhoe when I was in the fourth grade

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and this gets back to my synchronicities

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and I'm not sure whether I told this on

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the air before but when I was in the

537
00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:36,509
fourth grade I read a book by grey

538
00:22:41,690 --> 00:22:38,700
Barker called they knew too much about

539
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:41,700
flying saucers it was the original book

540
00:22:45,230 --> 00:22:43,919
on the men in black told about how this

541
00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:45,240
Connecticut researcher

542
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:47,310
Kate bender had been visited by these

543
00:22:52,910 --> 00:22:50,880
three men with black fedoras and trench

544
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:52,920
coats and you know blasters and whatever

545
00:22:58,220 --> 00:22:55,170
and they they silenced them and warned

546
00:23:00,850 --> 00:22:58,230
him never to talk about UFOs again and

547
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:00,860
he suspended publication of his magazine

548
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:05,520
space world so anyway I wrote a this

549
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:07,530
review of this book when I was in the

550
00:23:12,050 --> 00:23:09,690
fourth grade I remember it was in red

551
00:23:14,780 --> 00:23:12,060
pen red pen I think I have it there

552
00:23:18,380 --> 00:23:14,790
somewhere online the notebook paper and

553
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:18,390
I got a b-plus well heaven forbid for me

554
00:23:24,290 --> 00:23:21,570
to get a b-plus on anything was a

555
00:23:26,570 --> 00:23:24,300
miracle in those days well little did I

556
00:23:29,030 --> 00:23:26,580
know that my first three books would be

557
00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:29,040
published by grey black hair mm-hmm and

558
00:23:35,540 --> 00:23:33,510
that when he passed away I went and I

559
00:23:37,070 --> 00:23:35,550
bought the last 50 hardcover copies of

560
00:23:39,290 --> 00:23:37,080
they knew too much about flying saucers

561
00:23:41,060 --> 00:23:39,300
which was the book that I did the book

562
00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:41,070
report on when I was in the book bag on

563
00:23:45,380 --> 00:23:43,110
I guess that's a that's a kind of a

564
00:23:46,670 --> 00:23:45,390
synchronous eye doctor I always have

565
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:46,680
said that you know when I grew up I

566
00:23:50,930 --> 00:23:48,720
wanted to be like Jim Mosley and great

567
00:23:54,530 --> 00:23:50,940
worker and some people poop poop me to

568
00:23:56,570 --> 00:23:54,540
this day for that but I have a

569
00:23:58,850 --> 00:23:56,580
controversial I guess background yeah

570
00:24:00,620 --> 00:23:58,860
yeah how was your former search changed

571
00:24:02,180 --> 00:24:00,630
since those days you know what are the

572
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:02,190
current people peter robbins laughs yeah

573
00:24:08,510 --> 00:24:04,890
we know so well you know i'm not sure

574
00:24:10,940 --> 00:24:08,520
that it has to be to be honest it has

575
00:24:14,030 --> 00:24:10,950
got nowhere what yeah I would well you

576
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:14,040
know any of the to me any of this I read

577
00:24:17,660 --> 00:24:15,930
my synchronicities here and and I have a

578
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:17,670
few more that I I marked out that have

579
00:24:24,290 --> 00:24:19,170
happened since I was on the show and

580
00:24:26,180 --> 00:24:24,300
last and to me most of this it's for the

581
00:24:28,430 --> 00:24:26,190
person that's involved in it you know a

582
00:24:32,050 --> 00:24:28,440
person has a UFO experience as a society

583
00:24:34,220 --> 00:24:32,060
or maybe in an abduction experience and

584
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:34,230
what does it mean to the person that

585
00:24:39,020 --> 00:24:36,570
lives down the block I mean how do you

586
00:24:41,300 --> 00:24:39,030
prove you know these people are yelling

587
00:24:42,860 --> 00:24:41,310
for disclosure well you either believe

588
00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:42,870
it or you don't believe it what do you

589
00:24:47,660 --> 00:24:44,910
care what the government tells you about

590
00:24:49,730 --> 00:24:47,670
aliens anyway I mean to me it just

591
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:49,740
doesn't seem what's the difference it's

592
00:24:53,930 --> 00:24:52,410
like telling you that you the government

593
00:24:56,210 --> 00:24:53,940
should come out and say that God exists

594
00:24:57,620 --> 00:24:56,220
if you don't believe in God you're never

595
00:24:57,940 --> 00:24:57,630
going to believe in God whether the

596
00:24:59,649 --> 00:24:57,950
governor

597
00:25:02,320 --> 00:24:59,659
tells you not in the same thing with

598
00:25:03,610 --> 00:25:02,330
aliens and UFOs if they tell you that

599
00:25:05,889 --> 00:25:03,620
they're from Alpha Centauri you're

600
00:25:08,169 --> 00:25:05,899
probably lying anyway here because they

601
00:25:10,629 --> 00:25:08,179
do about everything else and not only

602
00:25:13,389 --> 00:25:10,639
that maybe they don't know any too much

603
00:25:15,820 --> 00:25:13,399
more than we do even if they happen even

604
00:25:18,100 --> 00:25:15,830
if they have you know wreckage and a

605
00:25:20,860 --> 00:25:18,110
couple of bodies this is got a name tag

606
00:25:22,690 --> 00:25:20,870
on mm-hmm but what does it say what

607
00:25:24,850 --> 00:25:22,700
could they tell by this the SEC thing or

608
00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:24,860
doing an autopsy on an alien it's not

609
00:25:28,450 --> 00:25:27,110
human doesn't tell you whether it comes

610
00:25:29,860 --> 00:25:28,460
from another planet doesn't tell you

611
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:29,870
whether he's got a base on the ground

612
00:25:34,389 --> 00:25:31,730
doesn't tell you much anything that I

613
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:34,399
know of and in fact even if the Roswell

614
00:25:38,850 --> 00:25:37,130
craft did the crash to take place and I

615
00:25:41,950 --> 00:25:38,860
think it was a government experience

616
00:25:43,180 --> 00:25:41,960
experiment my so they've supposedly had

617
00:25:44,919 --> 00:25:43,190
this thing that has some writing on it

618
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:44,929
but nobody can decipher the writing and

619
00:25:49,060 --> 00:25:47,360
maybe the right the writing just says

620
00:25:53,470 --> 00:25:49,070
like eatin shows or something you know

621
00:25:55,389 --> 00:25:53,480
maybe it's a potential so even you know

622
00:25:57,159 --> 00:25:55,399
I mean it's like if you what is

623
00:25:58,930 --> 00:25:57,169
somewhere you found the wreckage to up

624
00:26:02,080 --> 00:25:58,940
to a boat or something let's say that a

625
00:26:03,549 --> 00:26:02,090
vessel that had sank you know a hundred

626
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:03,559
years ago what can you tell by looking

627
00:26:07,060 --> 00:26:05,570
at it really you know maybe if you'd go

628
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:07,070
deep daddy might well because you can

629
00:26:10,750 --> 00:26:08,480
understand the language or something but

630
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:10,760
a a craft from some other planet and you

631
00:26:14,980 --> 00:26:13,010
know what is it it's a piece of space

632
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:14,990
debris exactly yeah well speaking of

633
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:16,970
commercials it's time for our bodily our

634
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:19,970
break and you're listening to behind the

635
00:26:24,610 --> 00:26:22,010
paranormal with paul and benny know and

636
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:24,620
this evening with tim beckley as well wo

637
00:26:28,269 --> 00:26:26,690
and 12 40 in the winglets beautiful

638
00:26:35,170 --> 00:26:28,279
Blackstone River Valley and we will be

639
00:26:46,010 --> 00:26:35,180
right back okay oh thank you Michael

640
00:26:48,980 --> 00:26:46,020
same old yourself okay I all the time no

641
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:48,990
but we have an angel I don't try well

642
00:26:59,570 --> 00:26:51,600
you know I've had two agents in my life

643
00:27:01,610 --> 00:26:59,580
and you know what really fun before we

644
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:01,620
get back to our guests our fascinating

645
00:27:04,790 --> 00:27:03,210
discussion I just wanted to remind you

646
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:04,800
of several of the charities Ben and I

647
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:08,610
have adopted including USA cares or does

648
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:09,930
great things financially for our

649
00:27:14,270 --> 00:27:11,850
veterans and Canadian veterans advocacy

650
00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:14,280
for our neighbors to the north also used

651
00:27:18,380 --> 00:27:16,380
mentoring connection or ymc in Los

652
00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:18,390
Angeles doing amazing things for at-risk

653
00:27:23,210 --> 00:27:20,910
youth using ancient wisdom check that

654
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:23,220
out at youth mentoring org Tony Lara has

655
00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:25,050
been on our show doing great things so

656
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:26,400
check that out please so let's get back

657
00:27:30,770 --> 00:27:28,710
to our conversation with a date timothy

658
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:30,780
green beckley who is certainly one of

659
00:27:34,580 --> 00:27:32,970
the original our least second generation

660
00:27:36,410 --> 00:27:34,590
as he said did you say it was immortal

661
00:27:39,050 --> 00:27:36,420
or something like that yes yes yeah we

662
00:27:42,530 --> 00:27:39,060
are we are not we are not stingy in our

663
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:42,540
praise all right nominee President Tim

664
00:27:48,350 --> 00:27:45,810
Becker yes yes I can really go help a on

665
00:27:50,270 --> 00:27:48,360
st. you made the man who lives forever

666
00:27:52,490 --> 00:27:50,280
yes well you do not look your age or

667
00:27:54,620 --> 00:27:52,500
must say that thank you okay a lot of

668
00:27:56,690 --> 00:27:54,630
good that does me but that's so we took

669
00:27:58,790 --> 00:27:56,700
them a little bit about how UFO research

670
00:28:00,380 --> 00:27:58,800
maybe has not changed have UFOs

671
00:28:02,780 --> 00:28:00,390
themselves change i'm thinking of Ted

672
00:28:05,180 --> 00:28:02,790
Phillips and summers in his interpreter

673
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:05,190
you the most money whatever okay here's

674
00:28:10,340 --> 00:28:07,760
here's how it changed the inn in a sense

675
00:28:12,820 --> 00:28:10,350
when I was growing up I was a teenager

676
00:28:17,210 --> 00:28:12,830
there probably were at least a dozen

677
00:28:19,370 --> 00:28:17,220
teenage UFO groups there was a kill

678
00:28:20,930 --> 00:28:19,380
break he's still active at people who I

679
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:20,940
see every once in a while he lives out

680
00:28:28,190 --> 00:28:23,970
in Tucson Dale Redick who I had one of

681
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:28,200
my synchronicities with by showing a

682
00:28:32,030 --> 00:28:29,730
friend with the thing about Allen Diwan

683
00:28:33,380 --> 00:28:32,040
and the restaurant where I was in San

684
00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:33,390
Francisco and he walked through the door

685
00:28:35,810 --> 00:28:34,500
and he didn't even know I was in town

686
00:28:38,090 --> 00:28:35,820
and boys ran just been talking about

687
00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:38,100
five minutes before he passed away

688
00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:40,020
anyway so there were all these active

689
00:28:43,919 --> 00:28:42,169
you a teenage UFO

690
00:28:48,129 --> 00:28:43,929
groups and we all shared information

691
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:48,139
today there are no Tina as far as I know

692
00:28:52,899 --> 00:28:51,679
teenage UFO groups of course I don't

693
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,909
know who's running all these internet

694
00:28:57,070 --> 00:28:54,799
sites except maybe the roll out ghost

695
00:28:59,529 --> 00:28:57,080
hunting at this okay yeah maybe but yeah

696
00:29:01,479 --> 00:28:59,539
I think that's how it's changed and of

697
00:29:03,580 --> 00:29:01,489
course everybody was now in those days

698
00:29:05,470 --> 00:29:03,590
everybody thought I I believe that the

699
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:05,480
UFOs were interplanetary I mean that's

700
00:29:10,509 --> 00:29:07,450
kind of everybody had read the books by

701
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,519
major Donald Kehoe and Edward repelled

702
00:29:13,869 --> 00:29:12,559
and they said you know UFOs were from

703
00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:13,879
outer space they had this advanced

704
00:29:20,769 --> 00:29:15,710
technology thousands of years ahead of

705
00:29:24,129 --> 00:29:20,779
us well it ain't so I mean I guess a lot

706
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:24,139
of us have split camps here where people

707
00:29:30,009 --> 00:29:26,809
like Stanton Friedman are still into the

708
00:29:31,749 --> 00:29:30,019
nuts and bolts and people like myself

709
00:29:35,019 --> 00:29:31,759
and a lot of others are just into the

710
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:35,029
nut stuff i think you know i don't know

711
00:29:40,659 --> 00:29:37,039
I've become to believe there may be a

712
00:29:42,399 --> 00:29:40,669
few hardcore UFOs here but where do they

713
00:29:44,379 --> 00:29:42,409
come and where do they go and what are

714
00:29:46,779 --> 00:29:44,389
they doing I mean they they just appear

715
00:29:48,849 --> 00:29:46,789
in the sky for Joe Ferrier and then they

716
00:29:52,239 --> 00:29:48,859
disappear where do they go to mm-hmm and

717
00:29:54,099 --> 00:29:52,249
why I mean it doesn't seem okay they

718
00:29:55,749 --> 00:29:54,109
don't have to follow our plan we would

719
00:29:57,609 --> 00:29:55,759
send an astronaut to the moon and then

720
00:29:59,229 --> 00:29:57,619
and go out and pick up some soil or you

721
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:59,239
know plant the American flabby not

722
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:01,039
unexpected but there's got to be some

723
00:30:06,639 --> 00:30:03,769
rhyme or reason behind it and there's no

724
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,649
rhyme or reason for fifty or a hundred

725
00:30:10,269 --> 00:30:08,720
or a thousand years of they've been here

726
00:30:12,820 --> 00:30:10,279
all the time or human rhyme or reason

727
00:30:14,529 --> 00:30:12,830
huh or human rhyme or that's that's

728
00:30:17,409 --> 00:30:14,539
that's correct that's the whole key here

729
00:30:18,970 --> 00:30:17,419
we expect them to behave pretty much the

730
00:30:21,340 --> 00:30:18,980
way we would Behe yes they're not

731
00:30:23,979 --> 00:30:21,350
operating to me they're not operating on

732
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:23,989
that same mindset if I I don't know is

733
00:30:28,749 --> 00:30:26,330
if they have a brain worm unlike we

734
00:30:30,879 --> 00:30:28,759
think of it they are able they are able

735
00:30:32,619 --> 00:30:30,889
to communicate through synchronicities I

736
00:30:35,859 --> 00:30:32,629
think maybe through crop circles of some

737
00:30:38,739 --> 00:30:35,869
of those are our legitimate by coming

738
00:30:41,349 --> 00:30:38,749
into your dreams maybe by making you

739
00:30:43,810 --> 00:30:41,359
think that you were abducted baby were I

740
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:43,820
don't know but just know even even for

741
00:30:49,419 --> 00:30:45,289
all these abductions what's the rhyme a

742
00:30:52,869 --> 00:30:49,429
purpose of it I can't go as far is all

743
00:30:54,580 --> 00:30:52,879
the the fellow there in Pennsylvania I

744
00:30:56,169 --> 00:30:54,590
can't even think of his name

745
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:56,179
that's a historian on the on the

746
00:31:01,810 --> 00:31:00,320
abductions and stuff anyway he may be

747
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:01,820
there I'm blanking yeah yeah blanking

748
00:31:08,019 --> 00:31:03,770
out okay see the aliens have blanked out

749
00:31:11,019 --> 00:31:08,029
our mind man you're not even old no no I

750
00:31:12,970 --> 00:31:11,029
feel it starts young anyway so I don't

751
00:31:14,919 --> 00:31:12,980
know what's what's the purpose they see

752
00:31:17,740 --> 00:31:14,929
a dire threat well if the aliens wanted

753
00:31:19,510 --> 00:31:17,750
to take us over either physically they

754
00:31:22,090 --> 00:31:19,520
could have done that if they wanted to

755
00:31:23,409 --> 00:31:22,100
take us over you know mentally they

756
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:23,419
could have done that too and maybe they

757
00:31:27,220 --> 00:31:24,730
have on some cases we've written

758
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:27,230
articles and chapters in our book on UFO

759
00:31:31,299 --> 00:31:28,610
possessions and stuff but they don't

760
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:31,309
seem to have a real rhyme or reason even

761
00:31:35,860 --> 00:31:32,809
Whitley schreiber who's had some

762
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:35,870
incredible experiences he changes his

763
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:38,240
opinion every time he has a new book out

764
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:40,010
and and that's kind of what I do too I

765
00:31:43,630 --> 00:31:41,570
mean to be out and be honest with you

766
00:31:45,730 --> 00:31:43,640
because you would figure after 50 years

767
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:45,740
you wouldn't be caught in the same rut

768
00:31:49,539 --> 00:31:47,840
that you were you can't say no Ted

769
00:31:52,810 --> 00:31:49,549
Phillips is another one he started out

770
00:31:54,850 --> 00:31:52,820
with the physical trace cases and he

771
00:31:56,769 --> 00:31:54,860
doesn't go in for I think too much of

772
00:31:59,409 --> 00:31:56,779
the interplanetary ships now they you

773
00:32:02,919 --> 00:31:59,419
know nanami the interview that I did

774
00:32:04,180 --> 00:32:02,929
with him this is on the YouTube I of

775
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,190
course that his big thing was he was

776
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,559
going to i believe hungry to investigate

777
00:32:10,750 --> 00:32:08,240
the status of the cave i call my iron

778
00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:10,760
man or something that's down there but

779
00:32:14,289 --> 00:32:12,529
you can say where he hasn't gotten he

780
00:32:17,169 --> 00:32:14,299
has gotten to do it i guess he's had

781
00:32:18,490 --> 00:32:17,179
some IDs tied up with marley woods well

782
00:32:21,310 --> 00:32:18,500
he hasn't i don't think he's doing up to

783
00:32:22,930 --> 00:32:21,320
date on that either I the Marley woods

784
00:32:24,460 --> 00:32:22,940
isn't that unusual these ghost ghost

785
00:32:26,049 --> 00:32:24,470
lights are spook lights they're all over

786
00:32:28,330 --> 00:32:26,059
the place i as the price they don't have

787
00:32:30,190 --> 00:32:28,340
them up here somewhere no I don't know

788
00:32:32,110 --> 00:32:30,200
there with you I think you know there's

789
00:32:34,090 --> 00:32:32,120
the whole East Coast at the Brown

790
00:32:36,460 --> 00:32:34,100
Mountain lights are for ya bottle down

791
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:36,470
there shortly Joshua yeah yeah Joshua

792
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:40,159
wardens yeah oh yeah yeah yeah so but so

793
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:42,880
you've made a nice transition Tim into

794
00:32:47,139 --> 00:32:45,919
synchronicities yes yes so again we've

795
00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:47,149
had some of our most fascinating

796
00:32:50,350 --> 00:32:49,070
conversations on the subject so what is

797
00:32:52,659 --> 00:32:50,360
the synchronicity for those who didn't

798
00:32:54,130 --> 00:32:52,669
hear the last show our guests here for

799
00:32:57,899 --> 00:32:54,140
example here's a couple of things that

800
00:33:00,700 --> 00:32:57,909
have happened since I last talked to you

801
00:33:03,490 --> 00:33:00,710
sometimes late at night i go into a

802
00:33:05,139 --> 00:33:03,500
pizza place right across the street from

803
00:33:05,980 --> 00:33:05,149
the Empire State Building because I live

804
00:33:08,049 --> 00:33:05,990
in Manhattan yeah

805
00:33:09,610 --> 00:33:08,059
yeah they have the doors that open and

806
00:33:13,210 --> 00:33:09,620
and usually I go in and I read my

807
00:33:15,130 --> 00:33:13,220
newspaper my latest fight magazine or

808
00:33:17,260 --> 00:33:15,140
something like that you know and and so

809
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:17,270
I'm sitting there I had the 14 times and

810
00:33:24,490 --> 00:33:20,480
it was in a nevel up like a Federal

811
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:24,500
Express or UPS envelope and the place is

812
00:33:28,330 --> 00:33:26,480
pretty crowded and there was a couple

813
00:33:33,310 --> 00:33:28,340
the guy was sitting next to me and there

814
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:33,320
was a girl a lot across me I guess they

815
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:34,640
look like they're in her late teens

816
00:33:40,330 --> 00:33:37,760
early 20s so the girl gets up and she

817
00:33:42,790 --> 00:33:40,340
says are you Timothy beckley and at

818
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:42,800
first I was ready to sign autographs and

819
00:33:47,710 --> 00:33:45,890
hit my hand out and I said well you know

820
00:33:50,500 --> 00:33:47,720
I kind of mumbled well how do you know

821
00:33:55,030 --> 00:33:50,510
that she said oh I saw the name on your

822
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:55,040
on the envelope here and my boyfriend's

823
00:34:02,020 --> 00:33:58,720
name is Timothy and my name is Becky

824
00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:02,030
okay now you know I thought about it and

825
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:04,910
I said well that isn't that much of a

826
00:34:08,770 --> 00:34:06,650
synchronicity but you know what the

827
00:34:10,930 --> 00:34:08,780
synchronicity is why would she ask me

828
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:10,940
that unless somebody told her that I was

829
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:13,129
at the synchronicities you see what I'm

830
00:34:18,730 --> 00:34:16,490
saying it's it's so bizarre that that's

831
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:18,740
the important part of it not that she

832
00:34:22,450 --> 00:34:20,290
thought you know that there was some

833
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:22,460
rationalization or coincidence or there

834
00:34:27,879 --> 00:34:24,649
is that she she didn't ask the guy next

835
00:34:30,010 --> 00:34:27,889
to me across the way or anything it's me

836
00:34:32,740 --> 00:34:30,020
who's on all these shows talking about

837
00:34:36,430 --> 00:34:32,750
it and she picks me to ask this question

838
00:34:40,270 --> 00:34:36,440
you know also a couple of weeks ago my

839
00:34:43,419 --> 00:34:40,280
friend April had to go to New Jersey she

840
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:43,429
lives in the Manhattan to see her

841
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:45,649
dentist he moved at a park avenue in and

842
00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:47,330
went to to say for something like that

843
00:34:52,540 --> 00:34:49,310
she's had some problem with her teeth

844
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:52,550
she's had braces orthodontic work as I

845
00:34:58,240 --> 00:34:56,330
was Paul okay so she wanted me she

846
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:58,250
didn't know exactly where the place was

847
00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:00,560
so she wanted me to go with her on the

848
00:35:05,950 --> 00:35:03,730
bus to make sure that she got there ok

849
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:05,960
which he got to the office were setting

850
00:35:09,930 --> 00:35:07,970
up the rest of the patients and there's

851
00:35:13,330 --> 00:35:09,940
two I guess it's Saturday so it's a

852
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:13,340
dental day for kids I never see seen

853
00:35:18,180 --> 00:35:14,930
more kids anxious to have their teeth

854
00:35:21,370 --> 00:35:18,190
examined and certainly not me

855
00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:21,380
but okay they had some little toys and

856
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:24,710
stuff for kids to play with in the in

857
00:35:30,910 --> 00:35:28,250
the doctor in the dentist office so the

858
00:35:33,010 --> 00:35:30,920
kids pick up an abacus now I don't even

859
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:33,020
know if a lot of people know what an

860
00:35:37,569 --> 00:35:34,640
advocate says the old Chinese a

861
00:35:39,790 --> 00:35:37,579
calculator by a Jewish does admiring the

862
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:39,800
buttons across the need to keep count on

863
00:35:44,859 --> 00:35:42,770
it but I don't think anybody uses it but

864
00:35:46,299 --> 00:35:44,869
maybe kids do in kitty garden because

865
00:35:50,170 --> 00:35:46,309
they seem to be playing or they knew

866
00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:50,180
what it was okay so i was telling i had

867
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:53,089
my telephone with me and I told April I

868
00:35:57,339 --> 00:35:55,970
said I'm gonna look up abacus need to

869
00:36:00,220 --> 00:35:57,349
find out what the row of beads and all

870
00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:00,230
mean okay so i type in abacus and it

871
00:36:04,569 --> 00:36:01,670
gives me some information and then at

872
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:04,579
the bottom of the screen it says

873
00:36:10,270 --> 00:36:07,010
something about Microsoft and then under

874
00:36:13,660 --> 00:36:10,280
that other things you may be interested

875
00:36:16,690 --> 00:36:13,670
in and it says it's spelled out on the

876
00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:16,700
phone bottom teeth braces bottom teeth

877
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:19,849
hurt on the bots on the bottom of the

878
00:36:24,609 --> 00:36:21,890
smartphone underneath all this other

879
00:36:27,309 --> 00:36:24,619
information about the abacus no reason

880
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:27,319
for it to be there that strut so every

881
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:30,650
FBI range yeah I mean the list the list

882
00:36:35,950 --> 00:36:33,200
goes on and on Oh last time I i think i

883
00:36:37,870 --> 00:36:35,960
mentioned how sometimes i'm able to meet

884
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:37,880
people that i haven't seen for years by

885
00:36:42,220 --> 00:36:39,530
just going to particular location or a

886
00:36:43,690 --> 00:36:42,230
towel okay there's one that I didn't

887
00:36:46,359 --> 00:36:43,700
talk about there's a fella by the name

888
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:46,369
of George faucet he was one of the first

889
00:36:51,660 --> 00:36:49,130
generations of UFO researchers and he

890
00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:51,670
had an incredible collection of UFO

891
00:36:56,410 --> 00:36:54,049
photographs and sightings and all he

892
00:36:59,740 --> 00:36:56,420
when I first met him when I was a kid he

893
00:37:02,500 --> 00:36:59,750
lived in Pennsylvania and he ran the New

894
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:02,510
Jersey Pennsylvania UFO mom um um

895
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:04,730
whatever whatever it was and I visited

896
00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:07,250
his home a couple of times and we stayed

897
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:09,470
we stayed in touch correspondent he come

898
00:37:14,010 --> 00:37:11,359
out with some little newsletter and he'd

899
00:37:17,770 --> 00:37:14,020
send it and I publish it in the magazine

900
00:37:22,660 --> 00:37:17,780
okay I hadn't seen him in years I'm on

901
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:22,670
the plane and the plane is a stopover in

902
00:37:28,539 --> 00:37:25,280
st. Louis okay so i get off the plate

903
00:37:29,450 --> 00:37:28,549
and i go to the restaurant in a diner or

904
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:29,460
whatever's in the airport

905
00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:31,200
to get a bite to eat and something that

906
00:37:35,630 --> 00:37:32,940
you know a beer or something a drink us

907
00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:35,640
is probably to our weight so I get into

908
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,310
the restaurant I get into the restaurant

909
00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:40,880
and lo and behold who is sitting at the

910
00:37:46,970 --> 00:37:43,980
table but George faucet who I hadn't

911
00:37:49,010 --> 00:37:46,980
seen and I don't know maybe 20 years or

912
00:37:52,210 --> 00:37:49,020
something like that but I figured oh

913
00:37:55,010 --> 00:37:52,220
he's on his way to the same you fought a

914
00:37:57,230 --> 00:37:55,020
conference in Denver and we both stopped

915
00:37:59,240 --> 00:37:57,240
that's not too much was secretive city

916
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:59,250
size and George you're going to the muon

917
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:00,720
conference he said no I didn't even know

918
00:38:06,170 --> 00:38:02,880
this am you fond conference I'm going to

919
00:38:08,270 --> 00:38:06,180
Roswell to see about donating my library

920
00:38:10,579 --> 00:38:08,280
to them so here's a guy I meet in the

921
00:38:12,859 --> 00:38:10,589
airport you know 2,000 miles away from

922
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:12,869
where i live in another 2,000 miles away

923
00:38:16,849 --> 00:38:15,119
from hela where he lives and we're just

924
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:16,859
both going about our business we hadn't

925
00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:18,330
seen each other in 20 years and he said

926
00:38:23,570 --> 00:38:20,910
hi and you know you know a lot of people

927
00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:23,580
wonder is there something more behind

928
00:38:27,650 --> 00:38:25,710
this than just coincidence me some of

929
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:27,660
these things are just so bizarre behind

930
00:38:31,790 --> 00:38:29,970
the paranormal exactly yeah yeah that

931
00:38:34,130 --> 00:38:31,800
there would be you know there was one

932
00:38:36,140 --> 00:38:34,140
one fellow iron is a good friend of mine

933
00:38:38,329 --> 00:38:36,150
and he lives over here in smithfield

934
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:38,339
rhode island and he was in Scotland on

935
00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:41,490
the Isle of Skye middle of nowhere he

936
00:38:45,020 --> 00:38:42,660
and his wife are going to have dinner

937
00:38:47,420 --> 00:38:45,030
this little pub with four seats in at

938
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:47,430
middle of some little lamed wasn't even

939
00:38:52,250 --> 00:38:49,410
paved and he walked in there and

940
00:38:55,460 --> 00:38:52,260
obviously heard hey Jack huh and it was

941
00:38:58,339 --> 00:38:55,470
a guy who Smithfield all right yeah and

942
00:39:00,920 --> 00:38:58,349
I me I looked at up this like 20 million

943
00:39:02,750 --> 00:39:00,930
to one yes the chances of that well it's

944
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:02,760
been oh yeah it's going to happen every

945
00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:08,160
once in a blue moon I mean okay and you

946
00:39:12,910 --> 00:39:10,260
can say but to have it happening

947
00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:12,920
repeatedly a time and time again now

948
00:39:20,290 --> 00:39:16,020
there's a fellow he's deceased about it

949
00:39:24,290 --> 00:39:20,300
even John see Lily John see lily I was a

950
00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:24,300
scientist and he did communications with

951
00:39:28,540 --> 00:39:25,619
dolphins I guess that's what he's best

952
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:28,550
known for but he had so many

953
00:39:32,270 --> 00:39:31,170
synchronicities in his life that he

954
00:39:36,859 --> 00:39:32,280
thought that there was actually a

955
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:36,869
governing board he called it e CCO earth

956
00:39:41,540 --> 00:39:40,290
coincidence control office and and he

957
00:39:43,820 --> 00:39:41,550
believed that these coincidences

958
00:39:45,740 --> 00:39:43,830
mrs. were really put in front of people

959
00:39:47,420 --> 00:39:45,750
to kind of guide them and lead them in

960
00:39:50,810 --> 00:39:47,430
their lives towards maybe a certain

961
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:50,820
destiny or something like that I i think

962
00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:52,530
that there's somebody controlling some

963
00:39:58,130 --> 00:39:55,260
of this I mean I I it can't be random

964
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,140
maybe it could prove that there's a god

965
00:40:03,790 --> 00:40:00,720
but i'm not i'm not an atheist but I'm

966
00:40:07,010 --> 00:40:03,800
not a believer either it could prove

967
00:40:09,140 --> 00:40:07,020
we're part of somebody's matrix and this

968
00:40:12,610 --> 00:40:09,150
could be you know the engineers at some

969
00:40:15,820 --> 00:40:12,620
giant computer board and this is there

970
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:15,830
they're playing a Nintendo with us I

971
00:40:20,420 --> 00:40:18,090
mean I don't know I don't know what it

972
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:20,430
proves now maybe some people have

973
00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:23,280
synchronicities that tell them to play

974
00:40:28,670 --> 00:40:26,910
to certain slot machine or the window

975
00:40:32,270 --> 00:40:28,680
you know the race at the pie I haven't

976
00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:32,280
had anything as monumental as that but

977
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:35,910
it certainly proved to me that there is

978
00:40:40,250 --> 00:40:38,400
some sort of outside intelligence I

979
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:40,260
don't believe that I mean the list is

980
00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:41,970
getting longer and longer that it could

981
00:40:48,770 --> 00:40:45,180
possibly be that random and why do they

982
00:40:51,830 --> 00:40:48,780
seemingly pick some people like myself

983
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:51,840
and not other people or maybe they do

984
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:54,000
and other people just kind of brush it

985
00:40:59,180 --> 00:40:55,770
off or don't notice it because they're

986
00:41:01,850 --> 00:40:59,190
not interested in here yeah what out of

987
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:01,860
the look looking at well Chris maybe I'm

988
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:04,890
he's given me angrier no well yeah

989
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:07,290
because now I after all these years I

990
00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:09,570
kind of didn't want to do any talk shows

991
00:41:13,090 --> 00:41:10,920
anymore because I got tired talking

992
00:41:15,350 --> 00:41:13,100
about my three UFO sightings and

993
00:41:17,060 --> 00:41:15,360
personalities and stuff so now I got

994
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:17,070
something else because I've been into

995
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:20,370
the paranormal you know my grandfather

996
00:41:24,500 --> 00:41:22,170
and my father's side of the family so a

997
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:24,510
headless horseman really like yeah my

998
00:41:28,670 --> 00:41:26,250
life was saved in my him say I've ever

999
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:28,680
had Irish yet my life might have been

1000
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:30,930
saved by a guardian angel is something

1001
00:41:35,530 --> 00:41:33,570
like mine was boys yeah okay so I know

1002
00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:35,540
that there is something out there

1003
00:41:39,950 --> 00:41:38,460
besides us maybe they're trying to

1004
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:39,960
communicate with us just like we're

1005
00:41:43,820 --> 00:41:41,610
trying to communicate with them but

1006
00:41:46,460 --> 00:41:43,830
maybe we're using the wrong language I

1007
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:46,470
cut you or you must be familiar with

1008
00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:49,200
leann akhiyan no key in the language of

1009
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:52,200
job because our ancestor but not Joe

1010
00:41:57,620 --> 00:41:54,960
lead you know i'm joking

1011
00:42:00,920 --> 00:41:57,630
good one good at that distance in time

1012
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,930
at all everybody's antsy okay but anyway

1013
00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:02,400
they were trying they came up with a

1014
00:42:07,339 --> 00:42:05,460
language to to speak with the angels

1015
00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:07,349
which you've ever tried it is pretty

1016
00:42:10,910 --> 00:42:09,420
incomprehensible I'm sorry I'm it's uh

1017
00:42:12,740 --> 00:42:10,920
some people who spent their whole

1018
00:42:14,930 --> 00:42:12,750
lifetime trying to figure out the enoki

1019
00:42:17,930 --> 00:42:14,940
and the Alliance they're like that it is

1020
00:42:20,030 --> 00:42:17,940
it's like a giant decoder if you've ever

1021
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:20,040
seen it it's like one layer on top of

1022
00:42:22,940 --> 00:42:21,359
another layer and you got to turn this

1023
00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:22,950
thing one way and to come up with a

1024
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:24,660
meeting to say it's pretty it's pretty

1025
00:42:29,930 --> 00:42:26,910
strange but people have long thought

1026
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:29,940
that there's a way to connect with the

1027
00:42:34,430 --> 00:42:32,130
Angels over some of this outside and now

1028
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:34,440
we tried burning candles and levitating

1029
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:36,930
tables during the Spiritualist movement

1030
00:42:40,940 --> 00:42:38,609
but I'm not sure that that really told

1031
00:42:43,250 --> 00:42:40,950
us too much either maybe some of the

1032
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:43,260
phenomena is real and maybe a lot of it

1033
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:46,310
wasn't it's kind of hard to say but

1034
00:42:50,839 --> 00:42:49,290
we're trying to talk to them but maybe

1035
00:42:52,579 --> 00:42:50,849
they're being more successful in

1036
00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:52,589
communicating with us but we don't know

1037
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,540
what language you're using well maybe

1038
00:42:58,339 --> 00:42:56,400
not well of course of the reader the

1039
00:43:00,890 --> 00:42:58,349
we'd read ism speaking as a writer the

1040
00:43:02,420 --> 00:43:00,900
listeners know that we rely a lot of the

1041
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:02,430
multiverse idea is rightly or wrongly

1042
00:43:07,730 --> 00:43:05,520
and I would tend to look toward that

1043
00:43:09,770 --> 00:43:07,740
perhaps a term people might understand

1044
00:43:13,730 --> 00:43:09,780
will be the collective unconscious that

1045
00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:13,740
young would use and we have all sorts of

1046
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:16,710
parallel lives we're living according to

1047
00:43:21,140 --> 00:43:19,770
this anyway that's all part of us and

1048
00:43:23,570 --> 00:43:21,150
really ultimately we're all part of each

1049
00:43:26,030 --> 00:43:23,580
other and I think that might be the the

1050
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:26,040
highway or the network or the matrix

1051
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,250
perhaps by which these coincidences may

1052
00:43:34,310 --> 00:43:31,680
occur these synchronicity so that's I

1053
00:43:36,620 --> 00:43:34,320
don't know I I think I think yes maybe

1054
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:36,630
in some cases but it has to go beyond

1055
00:43:43,220 --> 00:43:40,050
that I don't know it is again control so

1056
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:43,230
can't really trying to either trying to

1057
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:46,650
you know like this is what is a recycle

1058
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:49,290
or a funny bone yeah oh and think that

1059
00:43:53,089 --> 00:43:51,450
they're you know like being playful

1060
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:53,099
where there is a sense of humor behind

1061
00:43:57,170 --> 00:43:55,050
yeah yeah one thinks of the Greeks and

1062
00:43:59,180 --> 00:43:57,180
Romans in the bleeding that the gods are

1063
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,190
actually literally played with us as

1064
00:44:03,980 --> 00:44:01,920
just for their own entertainment welcome

1065
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:03,990
to iCarly in Charles forums the charles

1066
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:06,570
fort fort thought that we were like

1067
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:08,310
chess pieces you know

1068
00:44:12,860 --> 00:44:10,170
and some big game and we were being

1069
00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:12,870
controlled or somebody's manipulating as

1070
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:15,240
I I wouldn't say that that's impossible

1071
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:17,460
but I don't want to get too paranoid

1072
00:44:24,260 --> 00:44:22,410
about it I've you know Charlie fort

1073
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:24,270
wrote twice about Woonsocket is a matter

1074
00:44:30,170 --> 00:44:25,770
of fact is that right yeah charles fort

1075
00:44:32,660 --> 00:44:30,180
was a renowned chronicler of odd

1076
00:44:34,220 --> 00:44:32,670
phenomenon he was and he spent a great

1077
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:34,230
deal of time in the New York Public

1078
00:44:37,790 --> 00:44:35,970
Library they did what he was born in

1079
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:37,800
England yes but then he moved to the

1080
00:44:40,910 --> 00:44:39,420
United States you know you knew you were

1081
00:44:44,420 --> 00:44:40,920
gonna live in New York someday so he was

1082
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:44,430
mostly true you know he's buried in the

1083
00:44:50,030 --> 00:44:47,490
rural cemetery outside of Albany and

1084
00:44:53,420 --> 00:44:50,040
there have been some mysterious things

1085
00:44:56,750 --> 00:44:53,430
going on up there there's a lady that I

1086
00:44:58,820 --> 00:44:56,760
that I know I color the MIB lady who

1087
00:45:01,340 --> 00:44:58,830
lives outside of Albany and we've not up

1088
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:01,350
there and there's a well what are the

1089
00:45:06,050 --> 00:45:03,690
vice one of the presidents is a buried

1090
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:06,060
there they can't think it is Oh Franklin

1091
00:45:12,350 --> 00:45:09,570
Pierce I think of yeah okay but anyway

1092
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:12,360
there's a reflection pool there and in

1093
00:45:19,460 --> 00:45:16,560
and sometimes these black cars show up

1094
00:45:21,830 --> 00:45:19,470
and they circle the the reflecting pool

1095
00:45:23,090 --> 00:45:21,840
and disappear now I'm wondering if the

1096
00:45:24,620 --> 00:45:23,100
president that's buried there wasn't a

1097
00:45:26,090 --> 00:45:24,630
member of some secret society or

1098
00:45:27,980 --> 00:45:26,100
something like that black cars in a

1099
00:45:30,140 --> 00:45:27,990
cemetery on to unusual but disappearing

1100
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:30,150
it great Oh in fact that they've had

1101
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:32,370
they've had a couple that have been seen

1102
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:34,290
in their pajamas flying over the

1103
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:37,920
tombstones at night vidura a dress more

1104
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:40,290
appropriately where they go there and

1105
00:45:47,090 --> 00:45:43,110
then uh dogs with the you know like red

1106
00:45:48,650 --> 00:45:47,100
eyes and things like that and and then

1107
00:45:50,660 --> 00:45:48,660
the cars it disappeared they'll go down

1108
00:45:52,460 --> 00:45:50,670
the lanes and never come out again and

1109
00:45:54,620 --> 00:45:52,470
when they pass people who are sitting in

1110
00:45:56,450 --> 00:45:54,630
the driver's seat they won't hear any

1111
00:45:58,940 --> 00:45:56,460
grass or gravel but they won't hear any

1112
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,950
sounds or anything is nothing weird but

1113
00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:00,960
I'm sorry did me to cut you off to oh no

1114
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:02,910
no no no I hadn't heard of that case but

1115
00:46:05,810 --> 00:46:04,410
yeah no that's all really all I was

1116
00:46:07,460 --> 00:46:05,820
gonna say about that was it you know 10

1117
00:46:10,610 --> 00:46:07,470
he wrote a possibility vote about here

1118
00:46:12,620 --> 00:46:10,620
oh yes yes yes yeah well one was Marie

1119
00:46:15,530 --> 00:46:12,630
Rose farron who was known locally as

1120
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:15,540
sort of a still as a worldwide following

1121
00:46:20,210 --> 00:46:18,330
as sort of a saint okay she had the

1122
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:20,220
stigmata this must be like the wounds of

1123
00:46:22,190 --> 00:46:20,490
car

1124
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:22,200
so then she looked over here on asylum

1125
00:46:28,850 --> 00:46:26,400
street for a while and said that

1126
00:46:30,620 --> 00:46:28,860
Providence state as well but you know I

1127
00:46:32,810 --> 00:46:30,630
never paid too much attention to that

1128
00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:32,820
except that I was in the cemetery one

1129
00:46:35,980 --> 00:46:34,260
day over here Precious Blood cemetery

1130
00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:35,990
and taking on a black stone mass border

1131
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:38,310
taking some photographs just because the

1132
00:46:44,690 --> 00:46:42,290
governor pas ta has a beautiful

1133
00:46:46,340 --> 00:46:44,700
mausoleum I thought it might illustrate

1134
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:46,350
my talks I don't usually get too much of

1135
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:48,000
the cemetery is that is that something

1136
00:46:50,750 --> 00:46:49,410
to get a better place when you died and

1137
00:46:53,210 --> 00:46:50,760
when you're alive that sort of thing

1138
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:53,220
exactly he's really more expensive but

1139
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:54,960
her grave was there's flat stone very

1140
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,610
unusual flowers are honor than her bio

1141
00:47:00,770 --> 00:46:58,800
was there on a little card and took five

1142
00:47:04,340 --> 00:47:00,780
shots the first one was completely black

1143
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:04,350
and they became brighter as they went

1144
00:47:10,850 --> 00:47:07,260
this is this a slide kodachrome you know

1145
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:10,860
slide photography and it was amazing it

1146
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:12,090
looks as though there was light coming

1147
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:14,130
from the grinning and uh and I have a

1148
00:47:18,170 --> 00:47:16,130
sort of a control shot with the same

1149
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:18,180
shot of this clouds in the background

1150
00:47:22,070 --> 00:47:19,680
you can see at the same time in place

1151
00:47:23,060 --> 00:47:22,080
and I've never really been able to

1152
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:23,070
explain it but I thought it was

1153
00:47:28,099 --> 00:47:26,700
interesting so he wrote about her and I

1154
00:47:31,310 --> 00:47:28,109
believe he also wrote about the The

1155
00:47:33,710 --> 00:47:31,320
Devil's Hole for now yes yeah we

1156
00:47:38,050 --> 00:47:33,720
supposedly is on the Woonsocket hill

1157
00:47:39,770 --> 00:47:38,060
here right back where we live where the

1158
00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:39,780
wolves were coming out of the ground

1159
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:41,250
demons and all the sort of thing and

1160
00:47:45,020 --> 00:47:43,170
some pride notice the cat in your yard

1161
00:47:46,460 --> 00:47:45,030
his hair was standing on end so big oh

1162
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:46,470
yeah well I yeah the neighbor Canada

1163
00:47:51,950 --> 00:47:49,170
think six hours yeah yes yes it was the

1164
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:51,960
first one he met with Tim Tim arrived

1165
00:47:55,820 --> 00:47:53,970
but so yeah charles fort was aware of

1166
00:47:57,859 --> 00:47:55,830
woonsocket and it is a very interesting

1167
00:48:00,200 --> 00:47:57,869
place of course with Joe farrier here a

1168
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:00,210
lot of UFO sightings and still going on

1169
00:48:04,070 --> 00:48:01,890
we get calls what we do shows about that

1170
00:48:06,590 --> 00:48:04,080
so and it's coming close to that time of

1171
00:48:10,340 --> 00:48:06,600
year isn't it is already October true

1172
00:48:12,620 --> 00:48:10,350
yes yes it is so interesting so well

1173
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,630
tell us before we run out of time here

1174
00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:14,160
which we're gonna do soon you tell us

1175
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:15,780
about your website again you promised me

1176
00:48:22,310 --> 00:48:19,410
two hours now rumors maybe something

1177
00:48:23,570 --> 00:48:22,320
will be back but but no tell us about

1178
00:48:25,070 --> 00:48:23,580
your websites again your books my

1179
00:48:28,849 --> 00:48:25,080
fingers are trying to okay well you know

1180
00:48:32,030 --> 00:48:28,859
if you want a free subscription for some

1181
00:48:33,860 --> 00:48:32,040
reason my synchronicity guys are told me

1182
00:48:37,940 --> 00:48:33,870
decide that stuff for free

1183
00:48:41,870 --> 00:48:37,950
I you could just email me at mr. UFO 8

1184
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:41,880
mr UFO and number 8 at hotmail com the

1185
00:48:49,450 --> 00:48:45,930
website is conspiracy journal com if you

1186
00:48:52,570 --> 00:48:49,460
want lots of free interviews my

1187
00:48:56,060 --> 00:48:52,580
unbalanced unedited and uncensored

1188
00:48:57,410 --> 00:48:56,070
serious i go to youtube its am what a

1189
00:49:02,120 --> 00:48:57,420
mystery i don't have to spell everything

1190
00:49:03,290 --> 00:49:02,130
come on mr. UFOs secret files and you

1191
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:03,300
can find some pretty interesting

1192
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:06,000
interviews I mean people say oh he asks

1193
00:49:10,550 --> 00:49:08,730
the right questions and hopefully they

1194
00:49:11,780 --> 00:49:10,560
give the right answers well you can't

1195
00:49:15,350 --> 00:49:11,790
get the right answers if you ask the

1196
00:49:17,060 --> 00:49:15,360
wrong cat right oh yes so so Tim tell us

1197
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:17,070
that we don't deal much with in there

1198
00:49:22,310 --> 00:49:18,570
last year this year Batman will give us

1199
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:22,320
a signal yes no conspiracy journal thing

1200
00:49:25,940 --> 00:49:24,450
we as I mentioned in the truck on the

1201
00:49:27,650 --> 00:49:25,950
way over here I've never been a

1202
00:49:30,290 --> 00:49:27,660
conspiracy theorist but I'm getting

1203
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:30,300
there what what do you believe about

1204
00:49:36,740 --> 00:49:32,850
conspiracies a lot of us in kind you

1205
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:36,750
know I don't okay um I'm not that much

1206
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:39,930
of a first of all the website is Tim

1207
00:49:44,690 --> 00:49:42,330
schwartzy the you know associate of mine

1208
00:49:48,220 --> 00:49:44,700
he does the website put out say puts out

1209
00:49:53,090 --> 00:49:48,230
a weekly newsletter that's emailed free

1210
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:53,100
2000s of people my conspiracies a course

1211
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:56,850
are more paranormal in nature but we've

1212
00:50:02,330 --> 00:50:00,960
talked about attempts to course prevent

1213
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:02,340
people from getting information about

1214
00:50:08,530 --> 00:50:05,010
like a free energy sources Nikola Tesla

1215
00:50:12,770 --> 00:50:08,540
there's a lot of books on that subject

1216
00:50:14,270 --> 00:50:12,780
I'm big I probably in the the publishers

1217
00:50:17,090 --> 00:50:14,280
put out more books on the inner earth

1218
00:50:18,740 --> 00:50:17,100
and Hollow Earth mysteries that the

1219
00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:18,750
planet may in fact where the Schreiber

1220
00:50:21,980 --> 00:50:20,310
is just that a book called the alien

1221
00:50:24,110 --> 00:50:21,990
hunter or underground or something oh

1222
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:24,120
yeah yeah just came out I guess a couple

1223
00:50:30,530 --> 00:50:27,810
of weeks ago and you know I've written

1224
00:50:31,820 --> 00:50:30,540
about that for I don't know 40 years or

1225
00:50:33,410 --> 00:50:31,830
50 years that's one of the first books

1226
00:50:34,820 --> 00:50:33,420
that i did was a shaver mystery in the

1227
00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:34,830
Inner Earth which is now the

1228
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:36,900
subterranean world's insider that you

1229
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:39,090
get on Amazon or you can just go to

1230
00:50:45,050 --> 00:50:42,330
Amazon and type of my name Timothy

1231
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:45,060
beckley and I don't know 200 days or

1232
00:50:49,180 --> 00:50:46,850
something will appear because I was just

1233
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:49,190
my name on it is just as editor or

1234
00:50:54,250 --> 00:50:51,050
something so that's easier to just okay

1235
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:54,260
do an order from amazon or us or you

1236
00:50:58,900 --> 00:50:56,690
know Bart okay library and their their

1237
00:51:00,880 --> 00:50:58,910
links to your sites from our site behind

1238
00:51:02,260 --> 00:51:00,890
the prey great great you know and thank

1239
00:51:04,690 --> 00:51:02,270
you by the way for coming all the way up

1240
00:51:06,340 --> 00:51:04,700
from Gotham City to be with us but I see

1241
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:06,350
I had to do this because like i said

1242
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:09,110
i've done a thousand show's over the

1243
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:11,570
years radio TV and all I haven't been in

1244
00:51:17,260 --> 00:51:15,530
an actual radio studio it in ages

1245
00:51:20,350 --> 00:51:17,270
because most people just want you to do

1246
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:20,360
it on the telephone or skype yes skype I

1247
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:22,850
just I just put skype on my tablet but I

1248
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:24,710
still live a little shaky about they're

1249
00:51:28,270 --> 00:51:26,210
using it no we have to use it for

1250
00:51:32,020 --> 00:51:28,280
overseas I have you I have a I have a

1251
00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:32,030
land line no in fact I do a show I

1252
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:34,310
co-host the second Sunday of every month

1253
00:51:41,950 --> 00:51:37,610
it's on the edge the outer edge

1254
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:41,960
radio.com and next month or this month

1255
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:45,170
I'm having Larry airborne next sunday

1256
00:51:51,790 --> 00:51:47,330
night at midnight and then the following

1257
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:51,800
a second sunday of November I'm having

1258
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:55,130
Bruce on from China and we're gonna do

1259
00:52:01,720 --> 00:51:58,400
that from mainland China yeah I met him

1260
00:52:03,580 --> 00:52:01,730
through a synchronicity is well I I had

1261
00:52:04,780 --> 00:52:03,590
to get a refund or credit on a travel

1262
00:52:07,390 --> 00:52:04,790
ticket this is back when they were

1263
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,400
actual travel ticket so I just gotten a

1264
00:52:10,990 --> 00:52:09,440
travel agency I went to the office of

1265
00:52:12,430 --> 00:52:11,000
where I had gotten a ticket and they

1266
00:52:14,620 --> 00:52:12,440
said oh go see that fellow over there

1267
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:14,630
you know so I'm trying to explain to him

1268
00:52:18,250 --> 00:52:16,490
about the ticket being all messed up and

1269
00:52:19,450 --> 00:52:18,260
he agrees with me and then we'll figure

1270
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:19,460
out that he was some credit or your

1271
00:52:22,330 --> 00:52:21,200
money back or something and during the

1272
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:22,340
course of the conversation while I

1273
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:24,050
figuring out how to do this you know

1274
00:52:27,550 --> 00:52:25,250
what do you do by the way they said oh

1275
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:27,560
you know I lecture and right on the

1276
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:29,650
paranormal and mainly UFOs and he says

1277
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:32,810
that's interesting well about four years

1278
00:52:37,630 --> 00:52:34,640
later having a party given by a local

1279
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:37,640
contact e and he's there hmm and I

1280
00:52:41,770 --> 00:52:39,530
didn't recognize him at first and we got

1281
00:52:43,450 --> 00:52:41,780
to talk at ease yeah I know you you came

1282
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:43,460
into the travel agent to get a refund on

1283
00:52:45,820 --> 00:52:44,480
your ticket that's what what are you

1284
00:52:47,890 --> 00:52:45,830
doing here you didn't have that interest

1285
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:47,900
in study said no but after I talked to

1286
00:52:51,310 --> 00:52:49,280
you I went out and read a couple of

1287
00:52:53,860 --> 00:52:51,320
things and you know I became interested

1288
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:53,870
I met Mike and fellow she work for local

1289
00:52:58,530 --> 00:52:56,240
TV station there in New York and he went

1290
00:53:01,680 --> 00:52:58,540
on along with a lady did he

1291
00:53:03,380 --> 00:53:01,690
I think he married a later on Marjorie

1292
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:03,390
pie from Australia they actually found

1293
00:53:07,770 --> 00:53:05,680
pyramids they uncovered pyramids in

1294
00:53:09,180 --> 00:53:07,780
Australia well we know now that their

1295
00:53:11,220 --> 00:53:09,190
pyramids all over the world even though

1296
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:11,230
officially were only told about the ones

1297
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:16,570
in Egypt and maybe Mexico sure go in

1298
00:53:20,430 --> 00:53:18,250
with natural America's over like that

1299
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:20,440
but during Australia there in China and

1300
00:53:25,770 --> 00:53:24,250
you know gosh knows where else and I

1301
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,780
mean you can see by the landscape well

1302
00:53:29,550 --> 00:53:27,280
let's appear but yeah so what no it

1303
00:53:32,190 --> 00:53:29,560
isn't you know rubbish piled I'm sorry

1304
00:53:34,410 --> 00:53:32,200
guy so anyway he that was a little

1305
00:53:36,420 --> 00:53:34,420
synchronicity and what it is it's

1306
00:53:37,410 --> 00:53:36,430
amazing it's full of them okay Ben let's

1307
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:37,420
take it away with the announcements

1308
00:53:42,030 --> 00:53:39,850
early so don't miss the second New

1309
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:42,040
England UFO conference on october 17th

1310
00:53:46,590 --> 00:53:44,290
and 18th at the city hall in leominster

1311
00:53:48,180 --> 00:53:46,600
massachusetts my dad and I will be the

1312
00:53:50,370 --> 00:53:48,190
first speakers presenting our new

1313
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:50,380
program strange connections UFOs

1314
00:53:54,750 --> 00:53:52,450
cryptids and ghosts on a Friday evening

1315
00:53:57,630 --> 00:53:54,760
our speakers will include Stanton

1316
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:57,640
Friedman Catholic our speakers what I

1317
00:54:02,490 --> 00:54:00,160
say our other speakers i should say will

1318
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:02,500
include will include us Stan Freeman

1319
00:54:07,740 --> 00:54:04,450
Kathleen Mardan Rendlesham forest

1320
00:54:10,260 --> 00:54:07,750
eyewitnesses Steve la plume and Mark

1321
00:54:11,730 --> 00:54:10,270
Dantonio and a number of other people

1322
00:54:13,260 --> 00:54:11,740
that you've heard on the show as well

1323
00:54:15,810 --> 00:54:13,270
and we hope to see you there the

1324
00:54:19,710 --> 00:54:15,820
information for the event is at any UFO

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conference vp web.com and on Saturday

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November first Ben and I will be the

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featured speakers at the autumn

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paranormal event to benefit the New

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Hampshire SPCA this will take place at

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the lane Memorial Library to academy

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Avenue in Hampton New Hampshire from new

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24 hour program what's really behind the

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paranoia and on the show website at

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behind the paranormal calm you can find

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nearly 600 free podcasts as well as past

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shows from 0 n 12 40 and our four and a

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half year run on CBS radio along with

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special shows and podcasts as well so

1339
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also check out our main site at WWE

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ghosts com where there are case studies

1341
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along with photo coast photo calls

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photos and articles by my dad okay and

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find my books on amazon com etc etc

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relation vitam directly at behind the

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paranormal tom i will sign them for you

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big thrill

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and you'll be able to keep all those

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podcasts free and again remember our

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charities we've mentioned USA cares

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Canadian veterans advocacy and others

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already and next monday october 13th on

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oh n 1240 oh we will have a complete

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coverage of the annual autumn fest here

1354
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in northern Rhode Island will be doing

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the closing ceremonies and then we'll be

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doing a rebroadcast of the 530 second

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show from April twenty-eighth a

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parapsychologist looks at ghost hunting

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with dr. Kieran O'Keefe and we leave

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this evening with a very wise thought

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from oprah winfrey oprah winfrey of all

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people be thankful for what you have

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you'll end up having more if you

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concentrate on what you don't have you

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will never never have enough I'm paulino

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I'm Tim beckley and I'll be back in

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another 50 years India I'm Benny Hill

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and thanks for joining us on our great

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cosmic journey and we shall see you next

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time return to this radio frequency 167

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what's going to love thank you I think

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we take you to DC council meeting Cooper

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Woonsocket Rhode Island I don't know

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late earlier hey there I don't know I

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don't know if you're doing a special

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saying look if they can actually manage

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to get a really started like I saw I saw